(Page 3) Someone found guilty of a crime should have a sentence that can be served and not one that is contingent on the remorse shown. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! My beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. In December 1979, she gave birth to her son Danny. Anyways. No conflict of interest there? http://www.salem-news.com/articles/july152013/midnight-med-tb-2.php Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. Just a thought. The proverbial expression It takes two to tango applies here. Just before 11 P.M., Downs pulled her blood-soaked car up to the door of McKenzie-Willamette Hospital and screamed, Somebody just shot my kids! Cheryl, seven; lay dead in the front seat, and Christie, eight; and Danny, three; were sprawled in the back seat, clinging to life. I asked her brother James an answer to your question. In fact, Knick admits Diane took that gold chain as collateral against a $500 LOAN she made to him. But Diane was not the one dragging Knick out of Charlenes bed every morning intent on making or breaking his relationship with another woman. so which one is it????? In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. Speculative? If personal diaries were to be believed, half of the population would be in great jeopardy. In reality,the whole caseturned out to beno small sacrifice for Diane Downs, but it was a huge victory for the State, the media anda very lucrative deal for theQueen of crime fiction herself; Ann Rule. I try to bring up the elements that were totally ignored. 2.Diane herself has stated that the shooter was outside the car and shot THROUGH the window, no blood spatter. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). So she warns her to stay away. Knickerbocker even reportedly told Downs he'd leave his wife and move to Oregon to be with her, where she'd taken a job with the U.S. CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. See more Show your support Send Flowers Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. When they recaptured her, she was very docile. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. That is the reason effective trial counsel challenges the competency of a nine-year-old child to testify in a court of law. This home is the most recent known address for Robert. She felt fulfilled when she was pregnant because she believedit was the road to unconditional love. They were put in an impossible situation. Her family members were quite capable of taking care of the children. One could argue that this blog does not stick to what came out at trial. Knicks habit of turning on and turning off their relationship was known to Diane long before he admitted it in court a year later (Appendix 81, page 1520, line 21): Q. Downs was denied parole in 2008 and 2010. By the way, that interview with Christie by a biased advocate named Angel borders on abusive. But I will answer the points you raised about the blog. We cant. Almost immediately, police suspected that something was amiss. Her son ended up in jail and ONeils children accused him of neglect and bad parenting. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. Why was no one in the family given the right to adopt them. They rarely are, especially in the US. I do have to take issue with this article about Diane Downs. SPRINGFIELD, OR Before Charles Stuart in 1989, and before Susan Smith in 1994, Diane Downs made national headlines by claiming that an unknown assailant had violently attacked her and her family, causing outrage and making national headlines. I never read the Ann Rule book, but saw Small Sacrifices as a kid and have had an interest in this case ever since. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. High profile cases usually do not get the same treatment as regular folks. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. Was that Annes fault as well? She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. Also on old footage of the trial, as there was no cameras aloud, the drawing of Christie Downs from court artist also complies with the testimony given in the book, as far as her pain and crying. She then said she pulled over because she thought the stranger needed help. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? How.. they attacked him. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. It really doesnt matter that much of the trial and due process was faulty, because its so obvious that Diane is the one who did it and that justice was served. How do you expect the daughter to have any fair understanding of the situation or any decent contact with Dianes family when the people who have been calling her mother a murderer and a monster are dragging her in the media spotlight in the hope of writing another book or getting a new scoop, but all one sided. (520) 293-.css-1y2reja{color:transparent;position:relative;z-index:12;text-shadow:0.1rem 0.1rem 0.6rem #089FE4;}JPTD, aka Robert C Knickerbocker, Robert a Knickerbocke. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. They removed them and proceeded to interrogate the poor girl until she gave them what they needed. In reply to Nick. http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 You need real evidence in court. is this a reason??? As was his habit, Knick failed to take into consideration what Diane or his wife had to say on the matter. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. I dont believe there was a CK. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. Lived In Clarksville TN, Bountiful UT, Gilbert AZ, . Instead of talking about her being locked up for so long, answer some very legitimate questions regarding this case. I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. The unicorn, the song, her personality. It was in Mesa that Diane had an affair with a coworker and became pregnant yet again. You seem to forget that even a few jurors started by voting not guilty on some of the charges. The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. Oh my. I will post it when I get it. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. So not addressing the content of the blog and rambling about everything else while asking for a disclaimer is nailing it? While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. Christies response: My mom.. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? She threw her keys yet was able to take off right away?? To Lori There was never a real motive for the crime even if the State insisted that Diane wanted to be free to pursue her love interest; using her journals to support theirclaim. Click to read The Case of Liysa Northon Who Said True Crime Does not Pay? After graduation, Steven joined the Navy and Diane was sent to Pacific Coast Baptist Bible College where she failed miserably at remaining pure and chaste, not unlike most girls of her generation who rejected their strict religious upbringing. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. At first I thought she did it, now I made further research and I dont know what to think. So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. In the nurses notes, she is described as in shock and unable to grasp the situation. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. There is a court sketch artists rendering of him in this video. They rarely get a break. In the end, it is scary how media becomes some kind of Roman circus where people is thrown in order to become a source of business. You do not debate the content of the blog which you probably did not read anyway. Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. The blogger continues, I am not one sided. Not that Dianes mental health was not a factor in her letter, but it was definitely taken out of context in some instances. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. Also, I agree he does look a little like the actor who played Fred Hugi but I think it might be a coincidence. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. Mind: Wrongful convicted. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. Wasnt he the stranger? please express them and I will print them. But Downs' story continued that when she got out of her car to help, the man told her that he wanted her vehicle. And by the way, I wrote the blogs about Rule way before she passed. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Today, Diane Downs is 63 years old and sits in a California prison. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. The presence or absence of records for any individual is not a guarantee of any kind. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. Did she act like a average person? Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. They now throw people in prison in the US for debts. It wasnt simply her demeanor that got her convicted. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. She did it. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. A sick kid who had a stroke and traumatized being pressured for weeks to remember her mother killing her? But as usual, it was slanted in the worst possible way. This unexpected proposal took Diane by surprise at a large family gathering. What kind of arrangement is appropriate, where should you send it, and when should you send an alternative? Its more understandable now, after all this time but it has done her so much harm, then and now I dont care what Diane Downs says at the parole board hearing, except if she is innocent or guilty. Downs called Robert Knickerbocker, a married man and a former coworker in Arizona with who she had been having an affair. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. 5. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. But I am realistic. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. View Dean Knickerbocker's profile on LinkedIn, the world's largest professional community. N u pleaded guilty of murdering ur husband. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. The tape of Christie and her adoption by the prosecutor are facts. The couple married in November 1973, when Diane was only 18 years old. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. Mr. A 1951 graduate of Johnson City High School and retired after 20 years from the United Sta She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. #corrupt. Speculative. She wrote to the governor several times after being dismissed coldly by Hugi and the system. It is not my point. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. Nobody knows but her. I will agree that it was suspicious that Diane got away with one bullet in the arm, even if the injury was severe, but she was outside the car and many scenarios are possible to that effect. Police witness reports of strangers and confessions were suppressed or not pursued. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? $30k AVERAGE INCOME Our wealth data indicates income average is $30k. And I care about the lack of evidence. I also grew up in as time of the most infamous case in Australias judicial history: Lindy Chamberlain and the dingo stole my baby. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. They were traumatized and needed familiar faces to feel safe. Diane had thought that her own three kids were the reason why they werent together, and thus, apparently decided to take matters into her own hands. The timing of her arrival at the hospital should have been discussed and explained in more details. He still shouldnt have been allowed to adopt them while the appeals process was ongoing, if he had any role in those cases. May be the guy who says he did it. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. This whole tale is just unbelievable. He actually was the one who suggested they become intimate after many friendly, platonic conversations. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. (her family confirmed that she had a mood disorder, possibly bipolar 2), So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis.. I am publishing your comment because once in a while, I need to post the pitiful representation of true crime readers who made Anne Rule a rich author. Guilty or not, the case was handled with prejudice and many errors occurred. Prosecutors argued that Downs wanted to kill her children so she could be free to continue her affair with Robert Knickerbocker, who had been adamant that he did not want children. Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. I believe DDs case needs to be re looked at and all evidence reviewed. I think DD is guilty, but I also think her trial was far from due process, and that is the important issue. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. When they assess the conduct of an inmate, what counts is mostly how she behaves inside through the years and if she shows violent tendencies. Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. Christie became the star witness against her mother and who could resist such a touching testimony? Her father also insisted shetry to help catch the shooter. I recently found your website and have enjoyed it a lot. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. Eventually, in early 1983, Knickerbocker told Downs that he was not going to leave his wife for her and that he did not want to be father to Downs children or any children, for that matter. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. If Oregonians were not all convinced at first, the media and the crown made sure they would be. This is basically the book best kept secrets in condensed form full of outlandish theories. I agree on many points with your comment. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. Robert Lee Knickerbocker . And she should be allowed parole! Also, aside from her original mental state, which may or may not excuse her aloofness (doesnt prove shes a killer by the way! They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. From the very beginning, the DAs office had their ducks in a row because in an unprecedented move, Judge Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. Ive done my research. Receive a notification when services are updated. They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. If the answer is, revenge, then it has been achieved. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. Past Addresses: Tucson AZ, Tucson AZ +2 more. Diane said that Cheryl was laying down on the front floorboard with the passenger seat pushed back. Why am I not arguing the facts of the trial? It goes on and on. This case needed to be examined more thoroughly, but the mob mentality didnt allow it. It is not a hatefest and I do not wish death or life without parole on anyone. . It was half baked escape plans that were more in her head than anything and that the media enjoyed blowing out of proportions. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Q. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? He should have let someone else handle the case or let someone else adopt the kids. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. But you would know that if you had read the blog or info about the case. It could have been very different at almost any other time or with any other attorneys or juries too. On the witness stand, the young girl was asked if she remembered who shot her. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. The innocence project gets so many requests and they have limited resources. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports. Not exclusively a USA trait, this happens also in many countries, but in a technologically advanced superpower like USA this attitude is more shocking, and maybe also more worldwide spread. Despite the arrival of two daughters, Diane and Steves marriage was unstable, and Diane would often take the kids and leave their home, but would always eventually return home to Steve. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. So it looks and sounds like she is getting special treatment because of her notoriety. But there were discrepancies; the tool marks did not matchand the detective lied on the stand about it. Instead of shooting the little kids, why didnt the carjacker/killer (CK) simply shoot DD dead and take her car? This website supports restorative justice, so of course it leans towards sentences that are not life without parole if it is supported by a warden and mental health specialists. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. Dianes story does not contradict that. LMFAO!!!! In what world is that O.K. You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? . Ive been trying to decipher her handwriting on the couple of pages she wrote to her daughter (misquoted on here somewhere is a highlighted If you love your little boy, youll take him far away from here- why is this being taken as a threat and not a warning?!). This is also what the state did to her. Downs brought authorities to the crime scene, where police found spent .22 caliber bullet casings, but could not find a weapon. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. On her way to the hospital,she was followed by someone who said she was going slow, but Diane said she was driving fairly fast. You are right. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? If youre in charge of handling the affairs for a recently deceased loved one, this guide offers a helpful checklist. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. The interpretation of blood splatter is different than no blood splatter. HUGE conflict of interest. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. Information and advice to help you cope with the death of someone important to you. We dont know. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. Don't know what in the world came over me, Christopher P. Stokes told a Wisconsin court. 2 years in foster care waiting to be legally free for adoption is not that uncommon even today. I dont disagree, I just think it is another example of flaws in our justice system. I will talk to Dianes brother. She waseighteen and soon realized that she had jumped from the fire into the frying pan. Theres a lot to be said here, still. Robert told the police the entire truth about the affair and also mentioned that she had previously stalked him, revealing that she seemed pretty willing to kill his wife if it meant that she could have him all to herself. Reddit is a social news website where the registered users submit content, in the form of either a link or a text post. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. They are set in stone and people refuse to see it any other way. 4. Surprisingly, he accepted the new child and learned to love him dearly. Phenobarbital was administered alongside the Dilantin. The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings I dont buy it Shes guilty She did it I know she did it Her story makes no sense Shes evil Shes crazy. It had to be her.. I have watched her parole hearing. Unfortunately couldnt really do anything at that point, as the movie was not VHS yet, it only aired that oncein late 89. Those cases shouldnt have been in the same court let alone presided over by the same judge. So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. View theaffidavits. How ironic. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. 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